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want info about hauling anhydros ammonia and propane

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Has anyone wver haul these, and what does a person need to know about hauling them.

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If your hauling anhydros ammonia you may have to stay awake 24/7 to keep the speed freaks from trying to steal your cargo.It is a necessary component in the clandestine manufacture of methamphetamines.

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Anhydrous is nasty shat. One wiff of that stuff will put you down. There has been more than one car driver acquire scarred lungs inhailing Anhydrous Ammonia.
Trailers that haul BOTH anydrous and propane are universal EXCEPT that all the fittings need to be changed. Brass fittings are for propane (no sparky, no BOOMY) and steel fettings are OK with anhydrous as it's not a flammable liquid.
Pretty much straight forward commodities, you'll need to know your tare weight with each trailer and what each commodity weights so you don't over load. Propane trailers aren't allowed to be loaded over 85% maximun capacity to allow for product expansion. Hauling anhydrous will be less as it weighs more. Remember when the tubes isn't as full the commodity tends to slosh more.

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I'd start with some research of:
Part 172.200 Shipping papers
Anhydrous Ammonia is a Reportable Quantity (RQ). The US is the only country in the world that anhydrous ammonia is classifed as a 2.2 non flammable gas. In every other country it is a 2.3 Poison Gas:
I Ammonia, anhydrous 2.3 UN1005 2.3, 8 4, T50 None 304 314, 315 Forbidden 25 kg D 40, 57
D Ammonia, anhydrous 2.2 UN1005 2.2 13, T50 None 304 314, 315 Forbidden 25 kg D 40, 57
The farmers lobby didn't want the general public seeing them using the skull and cross bones in the planting fields. Anhydrous ammonia is used to draw moisture to the surface before planting. One drop of anhydrous ammonia on your eye is a sure way to loose an eye. Anhydrous ammonia draws the moisture out hence your eye ends up like a prune.
Part 172.300 Marking
Part 172.400 Labeling
Part 172.500 Placarding
Part 172.700 Training
Part 177 Transportation by highway
Part 178 package requirements
Part 180 Package maintenance
Most reputiple propane transporters belong to a state branch of the Propane Gas Association. In Illinois it's the Illnois Propane Gas Association.
The PGA offers specialized training regarding the safe handling of propane.
A good start.

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are there any specific questions you have, Sterling? I currently drive bobtail for a propane company. As Michael said, you have to be very careful that you do not mix the two...very bad for brass fittings.
Also DOT likes to watch hazmat cars very closely...the other driver got tagged for having his tags on the wrong end of his bobtail...$120, and a couple hours later our manager wasn't too happy about it. Just got to CYA at all times

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I have hauled both before, but with the ammonia, I picked up already loaded trailers and dropped them at the various farms. (Mostly cotton farms around AZ) The drivers were not allowed to load or unload the product.
I hauled propane tankers around New England. The thing to watch is touching the product as it is so cold it will freeze you instantly. I once had a liquid leak on a glove. I shook the glove to get it off as it was freezing my fingers. Two of the glove fingers broke off when the glove hit the ground because it froze solid! Learn the loading and unloading techniques and you should have no problem in this area.
When driving these, they are like any smooth bore tanker. You have to watch the surge and be careful when starting, stopping and turning. All must be done slower and smoother than you would normally drive.

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I live on a farm, where brother in law has a LARGE bulk ammonia tank. He delivers to the farms in the area. My wife sais it's been here for a LONNNNNNNG time, and never had any problems. On hot days you can sit on the porch and just inhale the frangrance from the tank venting it's vapors into the air. Stinks like a daycare center in August, when the garbage man is on strike.
Actually, if one follows all the safety rules, Ammonia is pretty easy to deal with.
Never hauled Propane, but it looks like a big bomb to me. I did haul Liquid nitrogen and CO2 for about 6 or 7 months a few years ago and that was a cake job. On CO2, you hook up 2 hoses, purge the lines, open the valves, turn on a pump and sit back while it does the work. No climbing on the tanker or anything. On Liquid nitrogen, even easier. WE NEVER were allowed to touch the hoses or anything. This was on both ends. Somebody loaded it, somebody unloaded it and it wasn't me. Very easy loads to haul, too. While they are considered to be a liquid, they both have the same characteristics as a slurpee. Kinda like hauling slush. Another neat thing about hauling that type of stuff is the fact that normally you have 50% empty miles, as you can't haul anything else in the containers. This is a real nice thing when you buy the fuel.

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I've hauled both NH3 (Annhydrous) and Propane. Much rather the propane. Annhydrous you better wear gloves with the gauntlets rolled down slightly. With propane I just wear a good leather glove. NEVER handle EITHER one with bare hands. Also, ALWAYS wear goggles with annhydrous!!!!!!!! As one poster said, one small drop and goodbye eyes. AND there's nothing that can be done for it. As the guy who trained me hauling hazmat said " It's not bad hauling, as long as you RESPECT it, not FEAR it!" Most places will put you through a seminar on hauling annhydrous/propane and give refresher courses every spring/fall. I hauled for FS in IL, and WI, and IA. One thing nice about it is it's bottom load and bottom unload--no climbing It's fairly clean, and YOU usually load it. At least I always did. 24/7 at most places, especially during the busy seasons. A lot of the propane places are using the fingerprint system instead of a card loading system. You go in, press your finger on a reader, it asks who and where you're going, and you load yourself. You usually will load at least 2-3 loads in front of plant management, then you are either carded or fingerprinted. With annhydrous, most of the time the plant loads you, and you pump it off. Some plants the driver loads it. Best of luck, and BE CAREFUL!

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thanks for the good info everybody, the company I'm looking at is out of Anthony, Kansas(Farmers Oil Company) got a couple of other guys that haul for them in town, anyone know about this company?

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When hauling anhydrous and you have to unload it always always keep the wind to your back and move the car if the direction changes. It will scar your lungs real fast.

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Anhydrous Ammoni (NH3) and Propane (CH4??) are both excellent refrigerants. Anhydrous Ammonia is used in many large-scale freezer units because it works so well and it is cheap, as well as fairly safe. Propane may be the best refrigerant, but it's very flammable, so only the most specialized cooling units ever use it as a refrigerant.
If you were to put propane in your car A/C, it would work better than it did new, but god help you if it were ever to spring a leak!

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WHATEVER YOU DO ................DO NOT TAKE A BREATH while removing the cap to the intake valve at the facility you are delivering to !!!
I accidentally did that at the Philadelphia, Pa. waterworks several years ago and thought I was gonna' DIE !!
Probably almost did !!
Couldn't breathe in fresh air for almost 5 minutes !!!
Jim !!! ...
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