Lets say your time is up, and you bobtail home. Are you subject to log book inspection bobtailing it? If you are on a 34hour break, and you bobtail home, or for groceries, do you log it?
Your still driving a commercial vehicle so I guess you would log it
You do not have to log personal use of a commercial vehicle, whether bobtail or hooked to a trailer. You can be pulled in for inspection, and your logbook must still be current, showing your off duty status to within 2 hours of current time.
They told use in school the only time you can log off-duty while driving the car is when your bobtailing home for home time. Or using the car for non-Commercial use (ie: grocery shoping, going out to eat, movies, ect...) However there is no pervision in the fmcsr for this if you have a trailor hooked up.
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If I recall right, the regulations don't distinguish between personal use of a CMV with or without a trailer.
On a practical level, it will be much harder to convince a DOT man that you are hauling that trailer around for the hell of it, whereas bobtail it is much more conceivable that you are not being paid to run around.
The commercial vehicle is a private vehicle is you are the O/O or if the company you drive for gives you a letter stating that it can be used for private use to go home in.
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Question 26: If a driver is permitted to use a CMV for personal reasons, how must the driving time be recorded?
Guidance: When a driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work, time spent traveling from a driver's home to his/her terminal (normal work reporting location), or from a driver's terminal to his/her home, may be considered off-duty time. Similarly, time spent traveling short distances from a driver's en route lodgings (such as en route terminals or motels) to restaurants in the vicinity of such lodgings may be considered off-duty time. The type of conveyance used from the terminal to the driver's home, from the driver's home to the terminal, or to restaurants in the vicinity of en route lodgings would not alter the situation unless the vehicle is laden. A driver may not operate a laden CMV as a personal conveyance. The driver who uses a motor carrier's CMV for transportation home, and is subsequently called by the employing carrier and is then dispatched from home, would be on-duty from the time the driver leaves home.
A driver placed out of service for exceeding the requirements of the hours of service regulations may not drive a CMV to any location to obtain rest.
Definition of "laden" as per the Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Main Entry: lade
Inflected Form(s): lad·ed; laded or lad·en
1 a : to put a load or burden on or in : LOAD b : to put or place as a load especially for shipment : SHIP c : to load heavily or oppressively
2 : DIP, LADLE
1 : to take on cargo : LOAD
2 : to take up or convey a liquid by dipping
So, that tells me that you had better be bobtailing or have an empty trailer hooked on back.
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Dodgin' the scales...
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Winding up somewhere, one step ahead or behind.
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Good stuff to know. I figured you would have to log it and I did just that. I drove the car home bobtail and logged the time it took. Subsequently, I did not log the seven hours I just spent digging the sumbidge out of the driveway. I am sooooo hating snow right now.
LOL to that last one and thx to the rest.
Your last post about digging it out of your driveway reminded me of a couple of years ago in my driveway . Although its 800 feet from highway to house and the first half is flat , its the last half that is tricky . We had about 6" of snow when I got home one afternoon . Tried to crawl up like I always do , No Chance . So I proceeds to get a running start . I made it , but to say it was a interesting ride is a understatement .
Anyway , Yes you can be inspected while bobtailing . I was headed home from Bakersfield ( I am a O/O ) to Southern Oregon , only freight was going were I don't go and I am not spending my weekend in Bakersfield . Got pulled into Cottonwood N.B. . Had to log On-Duty , Not Driving , for the 15 minutes for inspection but rest of time was Off - Duty .
Here is another question along that line .
Since I am now bobtailing , with Bobtail weight of less than 19,000 lbs. , am I still governed by the car speed limit in such states as California ? cars under 26,000 lbs. ( maybe 28,000 ) , are not governed by the car limit , they can go as fast as a car .
The reason I ask is I was pulled over that evening in Redding in the 3 lane section just north of Redding but not for speeding ( I was actually only doing 57 mph. . It was not my speed that bothered the CHP but rather that I was bobtailing and since the pavement was wet from recent rain , I was raising one heck of a cloud of crap behind me . He just informed me that I should move to the right because of this , also said speed was no problem although I mentioned that I was still driving to fast for road conditions being that I was bobtailing . On my car , when I bobtail , My weight on the drives drops to around 7,000 to 8,000 lbs while the steers remain above 10,000 which is not good when it comes to traction especially braking traction .
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Unfortunately, each state looks upon this differently. Furthermore, each officer interprets the law differently. A few cases in point:
M lives in Council Bluffs, IA and is leased onto a company in Omaha, NE. He drops his trailer in the yard and heads for home, just over 5 miles away. He gets stopped by IA DOT on a city street in CB, IA. The officer checks his logbook and tells him he is OK and he is logging legal being off duty, since he's using the car as a personal vehicle.
Fred lives in Emerson, IA. Drops his trailer at a customer in Auburn, NE and heads home, a total of 69 miles. He gets stopped on Hwy 2 just west of the I 29 junction. He is checked over and issued a citation for falsification of logs, for being on off duty status instead of driving status. He goes to court and the judge can't figure out who's right and throws the case out of court.
Dave, that would be me, leased onto the same company as the other 2, lives in Blair, NE.Drops trailer in front of the house, bobtails into town to the grocery store and gets a butt chewing from the State Trooper that lives in town, when he parks in the grocery store parking lot. Seems Mr Trooper was instrumental in getting the City if Blair to adopt the no jake brake law in city limits. He knows I disagreed with the law, stating I believed UNMUFFLED jake brake usage should be the terminology. I lost that argument, but he hasn't forgotten. He was going to cite me for falsification of logs, but couldn't find the exact state statute to write me under. He did write me up for an oil leak, but my mechanic took a picture of the "leak" and went to court with me and explained the difference between leaking and seeping. I got out of the ticket.
What I'm trying to say is, it doesn't matter where you live, where you do it at, or who you are, if the officer chooses to interpret the law differently than you, you can be cited. Bobtailing, while logging off duty is a very grey area and should be treated accordingly.
Oh, and the trooper and I have since "kissed and made up" he slid off a county road about 1/2 mile from me, I noticed him there, hooked a chain on the 4x4 and pulled him out. All's well that ends well
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